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Mars Design & Architecture - ...(how do you visualize it?)
Grecian 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Roman 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Combination of Greek and Roman 16%  16%  [ 5 ]
Egyptian 9%  9%  [ 3 ]
Celtic 9%  9%  [ 3 ]
Oriental (Chinese predominant) 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Other (please specify) 53%  53%  [ 17 ]
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Thank you for the compliments. Flattery from the salesman-extradoniare! Perhaps I should be wary, lest my car payments suddenly balloon! :D

I'm not sure I should discuss the "how's" here though, as I don't want to derail the thread. However, I enjoyed your take on Martian architecture, so I keyed in on that, and wandered in your dream. I found that poem. :D

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Frank lyoid wright is a hack, I been to some of his houses and they are dumps. Frank dont even deserve the street named after him. I think it will be all natural people runing around naked, or grass skirts, mud huts, or made of bambo. With tatoos and pricings all over. Modern primitive, Just like in africa. Maybe they can even go head hunting!
Like in the flinstones.

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Mars will be the new cradle of humanity. There definitely should be a new style of architecture. Something strictly for Mars. I don't know enough about architecture but I think a new style will develop because of the environment there.

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The Martian style of architecture will likely have a lot to do with the initial conditions settlers undergo. If initially the settlers have to live in caves, I foresee Martian architecture skimping on the external details and focusing on making the insides of structures seem soaring, light and airy--to combat claustrophobia.
I expect future Martian architects to be very creative in that respect.

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And Hobbits liked their holes comfortable, and considered a hole in the ground the very best of homes.

I forsee very weird, subterranean architecture to be the norm on Mars for a long, long time. The reason is simple: at first, it will be necessary, and the next generation of people will view it as only the natural and right way to live. Even today, with the same McHousing techniques from coast to coast, floorplans vary wildly from place to place for the simple reason that they echo older plans which echo older plans which in turn echo whatever plans were forced on the original houses by neccessity.

So houses on Mars will probably remain buried or semi-buried, and I predict this will hold true even if they terraform the place, although slight changes will probably be made to the exterior design over time.

I have one prediction/suggestion for Martian home design: an 'inside out' room. Basically, this would be a small greenhouse/atrium attached to or within the home. There would be a small plastic dome to keep the atmosphere in and some sort of plexiglass cosmic ray shield over that. What this room would have is a few plants and some grass and be done up to look like the *outside* of an Earth home. A patch of the old outside on the new world, so to speak. I got the idea from the house an eccentric millionaire built *under* Las Vegas. His house had a room done up to look like 'outdoors'. I imagine such a thing would be easy enough to build for a house, and it might even have a marginally useful purpose - you could grow herbs and flowers there, for instance, or keep a chicken in there.


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Considering everything we dont send as parts will be Underground, Nothing but Caves-Try Cooper pedy, Australia.

The Martian Ambassador to Earth? I suppose the Martian Embassy will be...Neo Charlamagne? A domed (and considering the fact that trueborn martians will be obsessed with public space, very spacey) central hall with ground level offices about it's radius. All faced in red rock and built with red brick but lined with opal... for as much colour as possible.
The entire building will sit in the middle of a fifty acre garden, in New York City, walking distance from the UN with a big open public plaza linking Both.


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Pyramids would be great, they would give future generatins something to wonder about if the colony is ever abandoned.


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Architecture on Mars will be shaped by several key factors: materials, manpower, and conditions.

1. Wood will not be available, but plastic, steel (stainless, made from meteorites), sheet rock (made from sulphate deposits), concrete, glass, and bricks will be. Aluminum will be rare and expensive until a major plant to extract it can be made. Copper should be readily available; it's often associated with basalt, and basalr is common on Mars.

2. Manpower will be scarce and expensive. As much work as possible will be done in a shirtsleeve environment, NOT outside in spacesuits. Enclosed and pressurized construction areas also avoid extreme temperature conditions and other environmental hazards (peroxide-covered dust, for example). As much work as possible will be done in an automated assembly line fashion (the bigger the base, the more an assembly line can be adopted). Modular home construction on Earth may be a model for much construction on Mars, with entire airtight, wheeled housing and work modules ("trailers") completed in a factory and hauled outside through an airlock. Tunneling will be kept to an absolute minimum unless large, robotic tunnel machines are developed and imported (we don't have these machines on Earth now!). Tunnels are inherently hazardous and can't be pressurized until they're finished. They're also inherently explosive under certsin conditions; imagine a tunnel leaking air into the surrounding rock for months and months that suddenly depressurizes as a result of an accident. The air pressure in the surrounding rock will suddenly rush back in, blasting rocks and debris into the tunnel and possibly precipitating collapses.

3. The Martian atmosphere provides adequate protection against solar radiation and micrometeorites, but not against cosmic rays. Thus buildings will need a meter of rock or loose dirt over them to provide radiation shielding. They should be airtight and in turn be inside airtight enclosures, providing double protection against depressurization. If designed in this fashion, they can be surrounded by greenspaces, which is good for the human spirit.

4. Building design can be anything the inhabitants want, within the constraints of radiation protection and pressurization. I'd build them with large overhangs to reduce exposure to oblique radiation. I'd use flat roofs with gardens on top IF the buildings are within pressurized enclosures; there's no reason to waste the enclosed space with unused roofs. Pyramids are the worst shape, where space use and radiation protection are concerned. Greek-style pillars are unnecessary; if they're needed for decoration, they may be made of plastic! If one were to build with pillars, the pillars in lower Martian gravity would be thinner than on Earth, so the proportions would be different. It is likely, as Zubrin suggests, that much of Marsian architecture will have a mall-like feel, with large windowless spaces opening onto corridors with skylights. The exception will be construction inside domes/bubbles, which will open sideways to open spaces with windows.

5. Very large enclosures can be made "open floor." A very large bubble,with embedded cables, would be manufactured in a factory. Meanwhile, pile drivers will drive long nickel-steel stakes into the ground; pile drivers can be automated and require very little human supervision. The piles can be hollow; once they are in place the enclosure's embedded cables are dropped down into the hollow piles, then the hollow is filled with concrete to anchor the enclosure in place. The enclosure is initially pressurized with Martian air, which will rapidly leak downward into the ground, heating the regolith if the Martian air is heated. Once the ground has been warmed down several meters, water can be added to the enclosure. It will freeze up intersticies in the regolith deep down, allowing the enclosure to hold pressure more effectively. This system will require very large quantities of water; perhaps half a tonne per square meter. But if a Mars base is extracting large quantities of ground ice using spare reactor heat and extracting deuterium from the water, it'll have the water. Enclosures 50 to 100 meters wide--or more--and a kilometer long would be possible.

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Wood will not be available...


Actually, bamboo would grow like crazy in a high CO2 'garden dome' and could be useful. It would probably be the only 'wood' commonly available on Mars, though, unless it's possible to genetically engineer trees to use C4 photosynthesis instead of C3 (which would probably make tree farm domes feasible... on a limited basis, and as a luxury good. No wood pulp paper here...)


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From the moment we start growing food we will start producing waste materials similar to wood pulp. Mixing this wood pulp with water and freezing it would create a material called Pykrete.

Pykrete has better physical and thermal properties than normal ice. While martian temperatures are still low, and where pressure is sufficiently high, these bricks would be stable and could be used to build more or less any structure. Pykrete could even be poured to create massive structures in the same way as concrete. Build your own ice pyramids.

Imagine building an Igloo 50 metres high. "A stately pleasuredome with caves of ice"

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http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=17447

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A futuristic design by Faber Maunsell and Hugh Broughton Architects has won the competition for the new British Antarctic Survey (BAS) Halley Research Station. In a very close-run contest, three finalists presented their ideas to a Jury Panel, technical advisory panel and BAS scientists.


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I was quite impressed they chose that design.

At first I thought they had a bad case of snowblindness or something like that, but then I thought: this is for real, and the jury can't be all idiots... So this *must* be a design that is feasible and not too expensive.

Impressive how far we've come in our cold-weather structure-building capabilities...


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Two words: classical and Greco-Roman. I really do think that Martian architecture, well at least in my sketches, would highly resemble the Roman geometric city plan and the obsession with colonnades and roof tiles, and Greek influence will probably be in the designs at the top. It would be like an early Roman colony, planned out down to the street width, with a wall surrounding the city and a dome built maybe a few hundred yards in front of the wall. And the inside would be a metropolis of markets, houses, and civil buildings (the forum/capitol, basilicas, gardens, temples/churches, theatres, an amphitheatre, and a barracks). I see the entire process being done on Mars. Wait, is there any marble or similar material on Mars? Anyway, we should probably use brick in compressed subterrenean vaults (The Case for Mars) before we build the Roma Nova.

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Not likely to be anything like marble, not near the surface anyway unless one of those mega canyons turns out to be a rift but even then its not likely.

Is fullaraian a style? with tension homes? geodesics? inflatable housing?

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I think Arabic Archatecture or maybe Pueblos would be a good archatecture. There's lots of sand around, so some sort of adobe would be a cheap building material.

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I have as the desktop to my notebook a picture over looking Ophir Chasim at sun rise. It is an awesome sight. I can easily imagine waking every morning with a view like that from my home built into the side of the canyon walls. I can invision cities built into the canyon walls like inverse sky scrapers with a glass wall looking over the chasm. Then have Pueblo style villages built into the canyon at ground level, under escarpments. These would be protected from all the space hazards.

For the open areas, not on a canyon wall. I saw on TV not tol long ago that they are working on a robotic cement layer. Just program the robot with the floor plan, fill the machine with a cement of sorts and let it build your home. YOu could have one robot that milled the cement the convey it to the robot that made the buildings.


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A few comments I would like to make:

RobS wrote:
Architecture on Mars will be shaped by several key factors: materials, manpower, and conditions.

1. Wood will not be available, but plastic, steel (stainless, made from meteorites), sheet rock (made from sulphate deposits), concrete, glass, and bricks will be. Aluminum will be rare and expensive until a major plant to extract it can be made. Copper should be readily available; it's often associated with basalt, and basalr is common on Mars.

2. Manpower will be scarce and expensive. As much work as possible will be done in a shirtsleeve environment, NOT outside in spacesuits. Enclosed and pressurized construction areas also avoid extreme temperature conditions and other environmental hazards (peroxide-covered dust, for example). As much work as possible will be done in an automated assembly line fashion (the bigger the base, the more an assembly line can be adopted). Modular home construction on Earth may be a model for much construction on Mars, with entire airtight, wheeled housing and work modules ("trailers") completed in a factory and hauled outside through an airlock. Tunneling will be kept to an absolute minimum unless large, robotic tunnel machines are developed and imported (we don't have these machines on Earth now!). Tunnels are inherently hazardous and can't be pressurized until they're finished. They're also inherently explosive under certsin conditions; imagine a tunnel leaking air into the surrounding rock for months and months that suddenly depressurizes as a result of an accident. The air pressure in the surrounding rock will suddenly rush back in, blasting rocks and debris into the tunnel and possibly precipitating collapses.

Isn't the point of having a Mars Colony so that people can go outside and explore. If people stay inside their offices and shuffle papers, what is the point of having them on Mars? If I wanted to be a Janitor, so I could sweep the halls of the Mars Base, Should NASA pay to sent me to Mars? If I wanted to be a computer programmer, or an Administrative assistant, Should NASA pay to send me to Mars?

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3. The Martian atmosphere provides adequate protection against solar radiation and micrometeorites, but not against cosmic rays. Thus buildings will need a meter of rock or loose dirt over them to provide radiation shielding. They should be airtight and in turn be inside airtight enclosures, providing double protection against depressurization. If designed in this fashion, they can be surrounded by greenspaces, which is good for the human spirit.
Water or Ice might work very well for this, it is also transparent and it lets sunshine through

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4. Building design can be anything the inhabitants want, within the constraints of radiation protection and pressurization. I'd build them with large overhangs to reduce exposure to oblique radiation. I'd use flat roofs with gardens on top IF the buildings are within pressurized enclosures; there's no reason to waste the enclosed space with unused roofs. Pyramids are the worst shape, where space use and radiation protection are concerned. Greek-style pillars are unnecessary; if they're needed for decoration, they may be made of plastic! If one were to build with pillars, the pillars in lower Martian gravity would be thinner than on Earth, so the proportions would be different. It is likely, as Zubrin suggests, that much of Marsian architecture will have a mall-like feel, with large windowless spaces opening onto corridors with skylights. The exception will be construction inside domes/bubbles, which will open sideways to open spaces with windows.

One idea would be to lay down mats of astroturf on the Martian surface outside, then you could have a garden or artificial bushes, flowers and other things to make the outside Martian surface look nice and pleasant, then inside the dome you could continue the illusion by growing real plants under a dome covered with transparent ice. Make sure the Ice is as transparent as possible. I think if the water you made Ice out of was really clean, you could see right through it just like it was glass, and ice makes an effecive radiation shield. Perhaps the ice dome should be wrapped in plastic so that parts of it that melt won't sublime away.
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5. Very large enclosures can be made "open floor." A very large bubble,with embedded cables, would be manufactured in a factory. Meanwhile, pile drivers will drive long nickel-steel stakes into the ground; pile drivers can be automated and require very little human supervision. The piles can be hollow; once they are in place the enclosure's embedded cables are dropped down into the hollow piles, then the hollow is filled with concrete to anchor the enclosure in place. The enclosure is initially pressurized with Martian air, which will rapidly leak downward into the ground, heating the regolith if the Martian air is heated. Once the ground has been warmed down several meters, water can be added to the enclosure. It will freeze up intersticies in the regolith deep down, allowing the enclosure to hold pressure more effectively. This system will require very large quantities of water; perhaps half a tonne per square meter. But if a Mars base is extracting large quantities of ground ice using spare reactor heat and extracting deuterium from the water, it'll have the water. Enclosures 50 to 100 meters wide--or more--and a kilometer long would be possible.

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I was thinking more about a Biosphere 2-like approach for surface features, e.g., domes, greenhouses, rover garages etc. And of course, *that* tower overseeing the entire colony. :D Preferably taller then the Biosphere 2 counterpart. :roll:

But I think it's best for the living quarters to be burried in the ground. Protection against small meteorites, radiation, storms. Also, when you need some new rooms, you just dig them. Then seal the walls of the cavity with some polymers and / or foam, then place the walls of the new rooms, then start decorating. A lot easier than building a new dome or something. :idea:


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