Genetics

Void · 2023-11-25 22:20:24

I am inclined to agree Spacenut. Any favorable trait should spread to other groups as it would be considered useful by others.

In Chimps and Bonobos, females around puberty migrate from a birth group and try to get adopted into another group to avoid inbreeding.
Humans seem to be similar.

So, it should not be that strange that various types of humans may have interchanged genes in such a way.

Also there seems to be a long history of bipedal apes around SE Europe a long time ago.

https://crev.info/2019/11/bipedal-ape-f … .%E2%80%9D
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According to one study of the Danuvius guggenmosi bones, which the team Darwin-dated to nearly 12 million years ago, the findings “suggest that bipedalism might have evolved in a common ancestor of humans and other great apes living in Europe, and not in more-recent human ancestors in Africa as many researchers had assumed.”[

And instead of a very dark skin being the ancestorial state, it appears that very dark skin emerged from humans inhabiting the Savanah from the forests. So, some advanced humans developed lighter skin and some developed darker skin, in response to the amount of sunshine on the skin.

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Void · 2023-12-02 20:33:53

It is my opinion that this is very big. Not directly your genetics but the genetics of microbes are in some sense yours as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e10yOoP-x3g
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Bacteria Living Inside Our Guts Have Mindblowing Effects On Us
Anton Petrov
1.21M subscribers

#microbiome #gut #bacteria

Imagine if this could help health, youth, and mental illness.

Sadly, I now have a reason why aliens would want to probe our bottoms.

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Void · 2023-12-02 21:05:12

So, continuing from the previous post, if people live in synthetic gravity habitats, can it be controlled what microbes are to be dominant in such a little world?

Where would this go over time.

Fermi???

Yah, we b a brewery?

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Void · 2024-02-02 20:20:45

Genetic resurrection.

I think that the testing that got us here obviously seems so far to have provide the ability to analyze and manipulate reality.

However, I am going to assert that what of us has survived from our lost genetic heritage, may not be all that is of potential value.

Frankly I think that the application of Darwinist cruelty in the quest for perfection has left a lot behind that may be of value but before bringing anything back from the grave we will have to have developed a very high level of competence in our evaluations and projections of what it was good for.

I could impose a Darwinist Cruelty on the world, if I had the power, to find the very best version of a imposed evolution. So, then we might have cockroaches as the highest life form. A nice nuclear war might do it, if we worked well at it. Who cares about capability. Survival of the fittest is what makes for a nice insect ruler of the planet.

As a Baby Boomer, I feel that we did go through such a process. After the cold war rivalry, it was allowed to suppose the cruelty could refine the best and the brightest. I don't feel it worked very well.

But it does come down to a potential where perhaps with AI we may model the effects of the genetics of those who linger as genes that can on occasion be recovered from the ground.

It is also possible that we should consider preventing the loss of some types that are on the ropes just now. A Darwinist cruelty is likely to shrink the gene pool. It might come up with something that is a specialist for a moment in time that works well, but the human race has been better served by be general in capabilities.

And for the Elites that from time to time think that they are the golden ones, well maybe here and now, but maybe not later and somewhere else.

From my point of view, the issue of race, particularly skin color is really a problem. It now appears that the average human over time was some shade of brown with some isolated populations responding to environment to become lighter and also darker in color. The use of the word "Black" to indicate people who are not white (Whatever that is), is basically a lie.

As for various other features, it may be good if people may choose various features somehow for their blood lines, if they are to have a choice. The more people in the world, the better it is to be able to tell the differences between them.

You don't have to agree but that is how I feel about it.

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-02-12 06:27:13

Wolves on a Mars zoo colony?

Chernobyl's Mutant Wolves Appear To Have Developed Resistance To Cancer
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/24/ … r#comments

Void · 2024-02-14 08:38:47

I have seen more evidence of gene pool damage.

I read an article that said that in France a boy child Neanderthal shows evidence of being butchered like a deer by the type of humans that entered into that area. I am not particularly surprised.

I blame the Verbal and Violent, once again.

People who worship domination worship Satan.

I am part Swede. It seems that the people who entered Scandanavia killed off the Hunter Gatherers in a massive way.

It is possible and perhaps likely that the Hunter Gatherers also displaced a previous people, that could have been in Europe after the Neanderthals were killed off.

People get excited about alpha dominance, but in my opinion alpha dominance reduces the variations in the gene pool.
I guess it is fun to be a verbal and violent alpha, or to be a hypergamous princess, but I don't think that this leads to expanded capabilities. It reduces variations, and so then potential skills.

It is possible that human intelligence has been going down because of alpha male dominance, and the hypergamous princesses.

It appears that those winners are the superior people, (They are likely to tell you so), but nature does not favor intelligence. Nature favors winners, and winners can be the verbal and violent who eclipse out the retention of useful genes.

So, we may want to see if we could get back some of the genes that the verbal and violent have managed to trash can. But that should be done with cautions though.

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Void · 2024-02-15 20:17:58

I am willing to entertain this article: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … r-BB1ilwHl Quote:

'Intellectually inferior' humans caused Neanderthals to go extinct, a new book claims
Story by jmcgrath@insider.com (Jenny McGrath) • 3h

I don't know that it is true, but it could be. It is possible that humans were idiot savants, good at killing and also perhaps more verbal, (which would also make them better at killing).

This sort of describes our management class.

We have to remember that the archeologists who first studied Neanderthals, were probably Darwinist in their notions. Just the fact that the Neanderthals were extinct would-be evidence that they were inferior. To a degree this is still the way people evaluate things.

The Neanderthals were probably not angels either, but they may have had many intellectual traits that we could have used. We may have inherited some of it but may have also lost some of it. They had very big brains.

The American Public School system was purposely set up to stifle creativity and to create lower management people and robot people who could work in factories. Also, it was set up to humiliate boys, so that they would get used to being abused.

So, basically idiot savants knew how to organize society in a way that worked for that time and really benefited people materially, but I think we could do better by now. And we probably will.

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Void · 2024-02-20 20:14:28

So here is some food for thought, it appears that ADHD may not be a flaw, rather an option: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … r-BB1iC4TC

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ADHD may have been an evolutionary advantage, research suggests
Story by Nicola Davis Science correspondent • 2h

Not so much a surprise to me, the education system was designed to glorify one type of mind, one that had the power at that time, and to render subservient other types of minds.

I am glad that the matter is at least being reconsidered.

The little schoolhouse that preceded, the NAZI public school system that was put into place to provide low level management people and meat robots for factories, probably worked better for ADHD people sometimes, I think.

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Terraformer · 2024-02-21 04:26:22

I don't think such a highly polygenic trait as Autism/ADHD (two presentations with a similar genotype, both conditions of hyperfocus) would remain in the population for long if there wasn't some kind of balancing selection going on. With autism at least, a higher polygenic risk score is associated with higher IQ and greater educational attainment... right until you reach the point of actually having clinically significant autism, where it drops off a cliff.

Hyperfocus is useful quite often. Most people seem to take the surface appearence of things and move on, too distracted to attain more than the shallow understanding of a thing they need for their immediate purposes. I'm like a terrier, I keep at it until I've got it from all sides and know what I'm dealing with. Which has the downside that I end up spending so much time in the Observe-Orient part of the OODA loop things have often moved on before I get to the Decide-Act part. I don't process things *slower* than anyone else, I process them *deeper*, which means it takes a lot longer (but gives me a higher fidelity model of reality). I can't take an object in isolation, I need to understand how it relates to other things.

I *eventually* figured I should go and study Ecology. Something very obvious in hindsight. I spent the last decade trying to climb over a hill, only to get to the other side and notice that there's a road that goes around the bottom of it. Which I had glimpsed before I started the climb but disregarded. So yeah.

Void · 2024-02-21 10:59:34

I am glad that you are aware of your own situation.

I am actually grateful for the amount of success school did for me.

But the industrial revolution and assembly line thinking probably did not work for these types you mentioned.

Where exposure to a bit of knowledge is better than not, in most cases, a rating system that only can work with one type of mind, is probably not as beneficial now as it once was. But we have the internet.

There are some people who can fill a temporary memory buffer with keys to test out. A memory good for some days or weeks perhaps. And if they can work in a herd, that seems how school is easy for a teacher to apply. But if they don't have long term interest, they probably toss a lot of it into the bit bucket when they are done with it.

But some people are geared to focus on what interests them, so the Internet is a teacher now. So, the situation is improved.

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Void · 2024-02-24 09:21:11

More about Neanderthals: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … c6e9&ei=27 Quote:

Thought Neanderthals were stupid? Time for a rethink
Story by Isobel Williams • 2d

One thing that I have found interesting is that they had bigger eyes than we do.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-enviro … processing. Quote:

Neanderthals' large eyes 'caused their demise'
Published
13 March 2013

I think that our eyes would be about 70% the size of theirs. And the large brow ridges probably helped allow such large eyes.

As for extinction, I think it highly probable that humans might have carried disease. Being in larger groups humans would be more likely to incubate new pathogens, or may have brought some from where they came from.

And some of the humans were likely cannibals, and killed and ate the Neanderthals. It only takes the mentality that these other people are not of our kind to allow groups of humans to butcher each other, even when they are similar in type.

The Unkinding process, is part of humans. They are not our kind; therefore, we can be unkind. It happens all the time, and it is not only so called white European rooted people who can behave in that manner.

Going back to the eyes, I don't know that the Neanderthals had blue eyes, but apparently it is suspected that blue eyes can see a little better in the dark, and a little less well in bright light. So, the Neanderthals may have had good night vision by way of larger eyes at least if not blue eyes.

It is said that the Neanderthals had very high testosterone. It is tempting to think that they would therefore be very violent. They were certainly very strong. But in human males age and declining testosterone, makes men crabby. Testosterone actually makes men friendly, contrary to what popular notions may be.

If we want to meet humanoid aliens, we should think about reviving the Neanderthals. Think about it. They might not be able to handle the current germs that we have such as Covid 19, and all the others. And maybe they would be jerks. How can I know.

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Void · 2024-03-09 12:22:48

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … a564&ei=14
Quote:

'Intellectually inferior' humans caused Neanderthals to go extinct, a new book claims
Story by jmcgrath@insider.com (Jenny McGrath)

I think that it is possible.

The motivation to take over a cave could cause a fight. Or just to get rid of the competition for game animals.

It would only take one group of humans to develop a philosophy of extermination of those not so like them, the others.

As for cannibalism that could also be a motivation.

Nature does not seem to favor intelligence. We do not know the character of the intelligence of Neanderthals and others, but the original presumption that the survival of the fittest will give you the most intelligent, is not necessarily true.

Racial hatreds are things that come rather easy to humans.

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Void · 2024-03-21 07:23:53

I have my opinions which are subject to further processing and consideration: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … r-AA1ivosj
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Most of us have a bit of Neanderthal DNA, with some more than others. Scientists think they've figured out why.
Story by mguenot@businessinsider.com (Marianne Guenot) • 5mo • 2 min read

I consider the notion of humans and human mimics.

An inventive type of human with low verbal skills, and perhaps a copycat type of human who can temporarily mimic an observed behavior in an inventive human. These things do actually serve to get us here.

But the danger of mimics, is that as they don't have to invest energy in invention, they can invest energy in eugenics, that is to subjugate and exterminate the compitition.

The other danger is people who can talk about things but to not understand them deeply. Such might temporarily adopt a mimic of a high skill but then lose it in an era of collective lapse in social functioning.

The ultimate shortcut is mimics that can speak and write, and also adopt killing weapons created by others.

As I have said I have this one in the oven, probably to be subject to further consideration as evidence shows itself.

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Void · 2024-04-01 11:38:04

I like this article. It's not that surprising that the "Intellectuals" originally assigned superiority to their own kind. Darwinism and love of being on the "Winning" side is human nature, to a degree.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … 8870e&ei=4

Sadly, Darwinism does not have to select for intelligence, only pattern replications. That is why plagues can kill off large populations and yet as far as we can tell it is not intelligent.

Induced Darwinism such as NAZI schemes was even worse, as how could they know what is intelligent? They would have to have intelligence, and if intelligence is such a dominance, then you don't have to do more than being intelligent about survival.

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Void · 2024-04-09 11:21:32

This is not strongly related to the Genetics, but is of interest: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … cf0d&ei=50 Quote:

Scientists stunned to discover which culture built the world's oldest defences
Story by Harriet Brewis • 3mo • 3 min read

So, it seems indeed that the farmers and the literate peoples could in fact have damaged the human race with their practices, even though farming and writing gave them great powers.

But I don't know have good or bad things could be in a hunter-gatherer society either.

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Void · 2024-04-14 10:12:27

This is interesting, I am particularly happy about the existence of Neanderthal and Denosovian genes in the gene pool.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica … i-BB1kKpMU

India is a curious matter for North Americans. It is in a way our doppelganger twin. I won't explain that too much more, but it is a great convenience to us to just be helpful for India to be India. It keeps the rest of the world busy, so that they are not on our a** all the time.

I have a theory about the Greeks and Romans. It is apparent that at times people from the north became present. Not Yankees
Rather peoples from certain more northern parts of Asia, including Historical Iran. I think that the Greeks and Romans functioned best when this was in balance with the more southern peoples. I think that the degenerate phases occurred when this got out of balance.

In a similar fashion our Democrat party is trying to force America into a degenerate phase. Things need to get back into balance.

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North America<>India, would be mirrored images sort of a reflection of each other, but having some twinness.
I suppose that in humans, if one child took all the other genes that its sibling did not take, they would be a mirrored nor-Twin?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelg%C3%A4nger

They would not be genetically alike at all but would still be siblings.
Of course, that is not exactly what India<>North America is like but it kind of gives a visual guidance, at least to me.

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Void · 2024-04-21 09:29:51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V09fJ38Qt6E
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What drives evolution | Denis Noble | Reason with Science | Darwin | Selfish genes | Richard Dawkins
Reason with Science
22.1K subscribers

I listened to this yesterday.

I don't think I absorbed all of it. But it has notions in it that are very interesting. Particularly how the biological system may permit a higher mutation rate at times in the immune system to find and select methods to react to a pathogen.

I will listen to it again. I was driving last time so may have missed parts of it.

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Void · 2024-04-24 18:53:10

I thought this was worth a viewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXlnRSCRBoQ
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How Viruses Created Human Intelligence and Turned Us Super Complex
Anton Petrov

Just yet another thing to understand about humans. Also, our gut microbes and a connection from the gut to the brain.

It seems our "Junk DNA" is not junk after all.

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