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Drool...

This *so* looks like a job for me...

Serious. I love to do stuff like that: painstakingly salvaging fragile stuff...

*I hope they keep it all in Utah, if that is feasible (on-site analysis capabilities, facility issues, etc). Apparently they're still considering shipping the samples to Houston but are "staying put" in Utah for now. I'd be concerned about another mishap of some sort.

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Agree completely: transporting of fragile stuff is the single most biggest riskfactor of things going wrong: vibration, temp and humidity fluctuations, errors in handling etc... (what a construction, hope you get the idea..)

Always better do do such stuff in-situ, if you have the tools and environmental controls etc in place...


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1st status report from Genesis Mishap Investigation Board

*GMIB members arrived at Dugway on September 10. Mentions drogue and parafoil systems failed to deploy.

"Since the initial recovery of the hardware, an inventory was made of the impact crater, both by visual examination and metal detector, to ensure no significant wreckage remains."

*Impact crater site is now back under DPG's control.

"The team finalized plans for preparing and transporting the SRC wreckage to Lockheed Martin Space Systems' facilities in Denver, where the spacecraft was built and tested."

*No mention is made of moving the samples themselves, so it seems the samples are staying put (for now anyway) in Utah. :up:

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Optimistic scientist

*Short article outlining Dr. (?) Qing-Zhu Yin's opinion of what data scientists might likely obtain from what's left of the solar wind collector wafers. He's a planetary scientist.

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Genesis craft to be hauled back home
Jeffco facility to study why capsule crashed

http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn....00.html

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Yes, there are some optimistic noises coming from scientists about the Genesis data which might yet be saved. I read somewhere, though, that the most unreliable data were likely to be those connected with carbon isotopes, since significant carbon contamination from the desert dust and even from the atmosphere would make those experimental results too ambiguous.
But, overall, it looks like at least some of the mission is salvageable.
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It appears that the Samples From Genesis Craft are being Sent to Calif.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....apsules

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It appears that the Samples From Genesis Craft are being Sent to Calif.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....apsules

*Yep. Portions of the lid foils.

"The team started disassembling the arrays and found that several large pieces of collector plates remained, including one entire hexagon plate." Relief! Terrific.

Article also indicates the solar wind collectors -will- be shipped out of Utah. I wonder how many scientists around the globe, who were expecting portions, won't be getting any though, because of the mishap.

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::EDIT:: They -are- going to be moved: "The Genesis cleanroom activities are focused on getting the materials ready for shipping. A date has not yet been selected for transporting the Genesis science canister and recovered collector materials from Dugway to NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston."


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Samples going to Houston

*They're also saying they are a long way yet from "quantifying" the samples.

Sounds iffy...they seem overly optimistic and "cheery"; we'll see.

"Packing solar samples for transport is a little different than packing a house-worth of belongings for a cross-country move. After the meticulous process of inspection and documentation, each segment of collector gets its own ID number, photograph and carrying case. The samples and shipping containers fill the space of about two full size refrigerators."

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Most recent update.

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Wafers that were still connected to the retaining rings fared the best, while "those that were on the edge of the canister impact are pretty dusty."

...The sample return capsule lid foil collectors, which collected molybdenum and platinum to measure solar wind radioactive nuclei, were contaminated and rumpled.

Stansbery says they probably will be able to make the samples available to the scientific community in a few months, but first all the materials will have to be cleaned. Since cleaning could damage the atom-sized samples of solar wind embedded in the collectors at a depth of about a hundred nanometers, they won't begin that task until after the samples are moved to JSC.

"We have a variety of different contaminant sources on the collector materials," says Stansbery. "Everything from Utah Range soil, to salts from the soil, to pieces of the sample return capsule itself, pieces of the science canister itself, insulation materials that were on the spacecraft, to fragments of the other collectors. For any particular collector, any of those items can be a contaminant."
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:rolleyes: Geez. :(

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P.S.: Update at NASA Genesis home site says samples were moved to Houston on Monday, October 4.


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Here's the latest...

*Scientists are unpacking the samples at Johnson Space Center. Apparently they are "upbeat" about the prospects of salvaging science from the samples recovered.

"The facility counted more than 3,000 tracking numbers for the containers that hold pieces of wafers from the five collector panels. The panels secured samples of atoms and ions from the solar wind..."

Says some containers have as many as 96 pieces of wafers.

"Planning is under way for preliminary examination of the samples to prepare for allocation to the science community."

"Despite the hard landing, Genesis was able to deliver. However, we await the final report of the Mishap Board to understand what caused the malfunction, and to hear the Board's recommendations for how we can avoid such a problem in the future," he added. (Geez, ya THINK? :rolleyes: Sounds like an obviously good idea).

Well, I'm more optimistic especially at the news that there's apparently enough samples -- and in good shape -- to start sharing them amongst various science agencies. :)

MIB should wrap up its investigation into the mishap by the end of November.

--Cindy

::edit:: From similar article posted at spaceflightnow.com:

"The parachute system failed to deploy...The MIB, analyzing the Genesis capsule at a facility near Denver, said the likely cause was a design error that involves the orientation of gravity- switch devices. The switches sense the braking caused by the high-speed entry into the atmosphere, and then initiate the timing sequence leading to deployment of the craft's drogue parachute and parafoil.

'This single cause has not yet been fully confirmed, nor has it been determined whether it is the only problem within the Genesis system,' said Dr. Michael G. Ryschkewitsch, the MIB chair. 'The Board is working to confirm this proximate cause...'"


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It appears that a gravity sensor is at fault as indicated by NYTimes article(registration).

Los angeles article indicates a switch installed backwards.

Genesis Crash Blamed on Installation Error
http://www.latimes.com/news....science

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The crash of a capsule returning fragile samples of solar particles last month was likely to have been caused by a design flaw that led to the sensors that were to deploy the capsule's parachutes being pointed in the wrong direction, a NASA investigatory panel reported yesterday.

The Genesis spacecraft had spent 850 days in deep space collecting particles of solar wind, charged atoms ejected at high speeds by the sun that may tell scientists about conditions that existed in the infant solar system nearly 5 billion years ago.

Mission designers had been so worried about possible damage and contamination to the collection plates that plans not only called for parachutes to slow the capsule's landing but a helicopter flown by a stunt pilot was to catch it in midair and then gently lower it to the ground.

Instead, when Genesis returned to earth on Sept. 8, neither an initial small parachute nor the main parachute deployed, and the capsule slammed into ground at nearly 200 miles per hour.

The investigatory panel pointed to sensors that were designed to sense the tremendous forces of deceleration as friction during re-entry slowed the capsule down from 25,000 miles per hour. The sensors were then to send a signal to a computer that would deploy the parachutes.

A flaw in the design of the capsule, however, placed the sensors in an orientation that did not allow them to fully measure the deceleration, the panel said. Consequently, the sensors never sent the signal to the computer, and the computer never sent the command to deploy the parachutes.

"This single cause has not yet been fully confirmed, nor has it been determined whether it is the only problem within the Genesis system," Dr. Michael G. Ryschkewitsch, chairman of the investigation panel, said in a statement released by NASA yesterday evening. "The board is working to confirm this proximate cause, to determine why this error happened, why it was not caught by the test program and an extensive set of in-process and after-the-fact reviews of the Genesis system."

The crash broke open the capsule and smashed many of the collection plates, but mission scientists say they are nonetheless optimistic that they can still salvage much of the science.

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Oh boy....

That is so baaad...

I bet this will haunt them for years in public opinion, it's as dumb sounding as the meters/feet mixup (Mars Polar Lander crash)...

To err is human, of course... But sometimes you just have to wonder how they do quality control "up there?"


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Yeah, I think they said Lockheed Martin made the 'upside-down' switch.
Hard to believe such stupidity can exist in a technology firm of their calibre. (Sigh .. )
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Link labeled "Latest Images" (I've clicked on most of these already...I don't see the captions they're referring to).

-*-

Link labeled "Latest images from NASA" Small captions with pics.

Still makes me heartsick. :(

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Well lockheed has posted the genisis capsule shell photos on there web site as seen by staff in clean roon garb.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms....&sc=400

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Well lockheed has posted the genisis capsule shell photos on there web site as seen by staff in clean roon garb.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms....&sc=400

*Thanks for posting that, SpaceNut. My heart still sinks to look at some of the photos which have been posted to the 'net. Guess I should bookmark L-M's web site. The article seems a bit dated, though; speaks of determining the cause of the 'chute failure in the future tense.

Like that quote by Robert Heinlein towards the bottom of the page.

-sigh-

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*Electronic field trip:

Quote:
NASA's Genesis Cleanroom Electronic Field Trip
Scientists are usually concerned about protecting the Earth from the sun. But what happens when the sun needs to be protected from Earth? NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas has built the answer in the form of a class 10 cleanroom, in which Genesis scientists analyze solar samples. The cleanroom will ensure that neither contamination nor debris will mask the solar wind samples, throwing off the results. The mission of Astromaterials Curation at the Johnson Space Center is to protect, preserve and distribute for study samples from the moon and interplanetary space in support of solar system exploration.

You can travel into the cleanroom via an electronic field trip. Virtually suit up and learn "how clean is clean?"


More stuff...

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Aerogel

*Ah, here's a pic of the aerogel "honeycomb" being used on STARDUST. I'd been wanting to see it for quite some time...

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P.S.: And hopefully it'll arrive intact, unlike another mission I could name :rant: :;):


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Nasa Stardust home page

The what is Aerogel page

Well from the web pages it will land in the same manner by parachute in UTAH, it was launched on a Delta 2 and is still 432 days to returning.

[quote]The Stardust mission spacecraft is derived from the SpaceProbe deep space bus developed by Lockheed Martin Astronautics. Virtually all of the technologies used to create the spacecraft were either already operating in space or were flight qualified for spaceflight before Stardust took advantage of them.[quote]

I would have said the same about the other Lockheed product but wel know how that ended up.

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