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#1 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » SSTO - Mathematical Analysis Gravity vs Stages » Yesterday 10:15:37

Some kind of ground based launch assist could provide enough starting velocity to preserve a pure SSTO concept.  It is very challenging if we require an SSTO vehicle to accelerate from zero velocity at sea level to orbital velocity on a single stage.  The vehicle structural mass, heat shield and deorbit propellant wouldn't leave anything spare for payload.

In the past we have examined rocket sleds to accelerate rockets to speeds up 3km/s - enough to eliminate the need for a lower stage for Starship.  But a launch assist would still be useful at more modest velocities.  Every m/s boost that a launch assist provides allows mass ratio of an SSTO to decrease.  At some point, mass ratio becomes achievable for a practical reusable craft, with an economically useful payload and achievable exhaust velocity.  Exactly how much of a boost we would need to allow for a fully reusable SSTO achieving these goals would be an interesting design study.

There are a continuum of propulsion options for a launch assist.  Electromagnetic launch is possible, but the power requirements are enormous.  There are chemical bipropellants, compressed air, steam rockets, steam cannon, to name just a few.  Much depends on how much dV the launch assist is expected to provide.  Even a modest boost in starting velocity <Mach 1 could make a big difference to the required propellant mass to reach orbit, because at V = 0, the propulsive efficiency of rockets is poor.  So a small boost can have an outsized effect.

See here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_sled_launch

'Due to factors including the exponential nature of the rocket equation and higher propulsive efficiency than if a rocket takes off stationary, a NASA Maglifter study estimated that a 270 m/s (600 mph) launch of an ELV rocket from a 3000-meter altitude mountain peak could increase payload to low Earth orbit by 80% compared to the same rocket from a conventional launch pad.[5] Mountains of such height are available within the mainland U.S. for the easiest logistics, or nearer to the Equator for a little more gain from Earth's rotation. Among other possibilities, a larger single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO) could be reduced in liftoff mass by 35% with such launch assist, dropping to 4 instead of 6 engines in one case considered.[5]'

Without launch assist, mass ratio for an SSTO is about 10 using LOX/H2 propellant, i.e 90% propellant.  A 35% reduction in takeoff weight implies a mass ratio of 6.5, i.e a 15.4% dry fraction instead of 10%.  This moves the SSTO into the realms of technical achievability.  Ideally, we want an SSTO that is fully reusable and burns CH4/LOX in raptor engines.

#2 Re: Planetary transportation » Trains on Mars - Could a rail system provide martian need » Yesterday 09:59:16

Having sections of track that can be flanged together on a pre-graded strip of regolith is more efficient solution than having to tie rails to sleepers.

Here is a reference to electrochemical iron reduction in a molten caustic soda flux.
https://ntnuopen.ntnu.no/ntnu-xmlui/bit … sequence=2

Very impressive that this can be done at temperatures of 100°C.  This method is compatible with a steady flow process.  Molten caustic soda and iron oxide could be continuously fed into the cell and spent mixture would flow out into a long ceramic trough.  Solid iron /FeO particles can then be removed from the melt using an electromagnet.  Milling would follow, after which pure iron powder can be seperated from residual FeO and silicate contaminants.  The pure iron powder can then be turned into steel / cast iron by melting in an electric arc furnace, adding carbon and using an oxygen lance to oxidise impurities.

#3 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » SSTO - Mathematical Analysis Gravity vs Stages » Yesterday 06:18:26

Mark Goll's Rocket Science for Earthlings (late 90s vintage) is still fun to read, although it flies in the face of recent SpaceX design philosophy.  Mark is a fan of MCD Big Dumb Booster rockets.
https://storage.googleapis.com/trctsi.net/rse0.htm

Now that Musk is close to perfecting fully reusable rockets, it appears questionable that expendables could actually be minimum cost design.  But Goll's calculations do appear to show the benefits of frequent staging, with 3 stage to orbit having the benefit of allowing for higher structural mass, which is beneficial to reusability.  From memory, about one third of total propellant mass burned during a shuttle launch was used accelerating to 1000mph.  A very cheap, high dead weight but high thrust lower stage, could provide the initial boost needed to accelerate a rocket to 1000mph.  Not quite SSTO, but more like 1.2STO.

#4 Re: Terraformation » Para Terra formation in Orbit, with orbital services. » Yesterday 04:50:02

The Jupiter Trojans appear to be volatile rich bodies.  This makes them more attractive targets for human settlement than stony asteroids.  Solar energy will still be cheap at that distance from the sun, because concentrating mirrors can be extremely thin in low gravity conditions.  Even the largest Trojan has surface gravity no greater than 0.01g.

I think the Trojans could be valuable resources to support Mars terraforming in the longer term.  Their orbital speed is 13.1km/s.  Using mass drivers, it would be possible to launch packages of icy material onto elliptical orbits that cross the orbit of Mars.  The packages would explode as the hit the Martian atmosphere.  Regular deliveries would saturate the upper atmosphere with water vapour.  This would create a warming effect, as water vapour is a greenhouse gas.  Ultraviolet radiation from the sun would break down the water vapour into hydrogen and oxygen, with the former escaping into space.  The oxygen would accumulate within the atmosphere.

Something similar could be done for Venus and the Jovian moons.  Callisto could be bombarded with material launched from the Trojans, creating a water vapour atmosphere.  Photolysis would slowly break this down into hydrogen and oxygen, with the former escaping.  In the case of Venus, we want to include a lot of non-ice components that will create a sun shielding dust in the upper atmosphere.  This will allow the surface to cool and much of the crushing CO2 atmosphere will eventually liquefy on the surface.

All of these project require that humanity achieves a scale of development that dwarfs the present industrial capacity of Earth.  But free space in the inner solar system provides anabundance of uninterupted solar energy.  The Tronans and outer asteroid belt contain all of the materials needed for industrial civilisation.  And the space available for development out there is enormously greater than the surface habitable volume of Earth.  So unbounded industrial development is possible.  A few centuries from now the industrial capabilities of a much greater human civilusation will be orders of magnitude greater than what we have today.

#5 Re: Terraformation » Mercury » Yesterday 04:05:22

Mercury is a volatile rich planet.  There are even speculations that life could exist beneath its surface.  Who would have guessed that even a few years ago?

This will be a tough place for humans to visit, partly because it is so deep in the sun's gravity well.  Any ship entering orbit of Mercury would need to rely on numerous gravity assists with Earth and Venus to dissipate sufficient orbital energy such that relative speed to the planet is low enough to enter orbit.  Landing on the planet won't be easy.  Mercury has substantial gravity and no atmosphere at all to brake a spacecraft.  So all dV must be propulsive.

That being said, the planet could offer opportunities for human settlement.  The lack of atmosphere is actually a bonus so close to the sun.  There is nothing to distribute heat, allowing areas close to the poles to remain temperate or cold.  The planet has virtually no axial tilt, so does not experience seasons.  That is an advantage as well, as it allows for predictable temperature ranges that never get too hot at high latitudes.  Closer to the equator, patches of the planet can be kept cool by suspending reflective mirrors above the surface.  These mirrors would be aluminised foil suspended on steel cables running between towers or pillars.  Solar energy provides all of the energy that human colonies will ever need.

Without any sensible atmosphere, mass drivers would work efficiently on the surface.  These would need to be housed in tubes and covered with a metre of regolith to keep the structure cool.  But export of materials from Mercury surface into solar orbit will be much easier than from Earth or Venus.  Mercury would be a good place for optical and infrared astronomy during its long night.  After sundown, the surface begins to cool, reaching temperatures of around 100K.

#6 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Heat Pump - Heat Pumps » 2024-05-09 03:37:57

Two years of living with a heat pump.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=94jy8aLqLms

This looks like an air source heat pump to me, though the owner does not say as much.  His COP is about 3.5.  Given the difference in price between electricity and gas, his heating costs end up being about the same.  He lives in the north east of England i.e. Geordieland.  Which is colder than most of the country.  He also appears to live in a terrace house, which would make ground source difficult if not impossible.

For the most people in the UK, there simply isn't enough outside space for ground source heat pipes.  But water pipes could be used to supply heat at a constant 12°C throughout the cold months.  This would substantially increase the effective COP of heat pumps in winter.

A few weeks ago we discussed a district heating system that was capable of heating a small town.  A cold heat network would represent the lowest upfront capital cost, as it really doesn't require any complex engineering.  Just a concrete pipe carrying sea water circulating through a soil body.  Heat transfer coils for individual houses could be wrapped around the pipe.  The good thing about this concept is that it can begin on a small scale.  Individual streets can have their own water mains drawing heat from whatever source happens to be nearby.  This could be a nearby field with boreholes drilled into it.  Or a stream.  Or maybe a nearby hill that can be used as a thermal store.  The water in the pipe does not need to be particularly warm.  During the summer, the loop would operate in reverse.  The street will act as a solar collector, gathering heat at 15-20°C, which can be returned to the soil or rock body used as a thermal store.

#7 Re: Not So Free Chat » Hindenburg » 2024-05-03 10:58:15

Helium is a rare and non-renewable resource on Earth.  I don't think there would be enough of it to make airships anything more than a niche curiosity.  The Hindenburg was huge.  Its gas cells had a volume of 140,000m3.  It also vented hydrogen as it flew and fuel consumption reduced its mass.  That wouldn't be economically possible with helium.  Helium also generates less lift than hydrogen.

I think the question with airships is whether hydrogen can be used more safely with modern materials?  We won't be making gas cells out of cotton lined with cow guts anymore.  We have advanced polymers, carbon fibre and super-strong maraging steels.  We also have gas turbine engines that are lighter and more powerful than the diesels on the Hindenburg.  How much difference would all of that make if we built a Hindenburg sized rigid airship today?  Probably quite a lot.

But safety was only one of the problems with rigid airships.  Who woukd want to cross the Atlantic at 60-70mph, when there are jets that can get you there 8-9x more quickly, probably at a lower cost?

#8 Re: Terraformation » Para Terra formation in Orbit, with orbital services. » 2024-05-02 15:19:21

Void, that is interesting.  I hadn't seen that graphic before, but it does suggest that there is plenty of space around Ceres to orbit things.  A Ceres synchronous orbit is 722km above its surface.  That would be a good place for an orbital ring, with space elevators descending to the surface.  Ceres gravity is so weak that elevators could be made from steel.

I think the idea of Ceres being tunnelled out like Swiss cheese is feasible eventually, as it is the single largest water body in the inner solar system, Earth included.  That water will have value.  An orbital ring attached to space elevators, allows that water to be transfered to low thrust spacecraft docked at the ring without wasting propellant.  I think ultimately, the ring will have a number of rotating habitats tethered to it.  Workers in the Ceres mines would probably live in these habitats and ride the elevator down to the surface each day.  The ring also allows propellant free transport between any two habitats.

#9 Re: Not So Free Chat » Oil, Peak Oil, etc. » 2024-05-02 10:15:33

This graph from Peak Oil Barrel is sobering.
774145-1.jpg

This is world crude oil production from 1900 until 2023.  It looks to me like we are past global peak oil.  Were it not for North American shale & syncrude, the peak year would have been 2005.  Those things pushed it out another 13 years.  God bless America!  The graph refers only to crude.  There are other liquids like NGLs, condensates, biofuels, etc.  But the direction of travel is clear enough.  Could solar synfuels fill the gap?

#10 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Heat Pump - Heat Pumps » 2024-05-01 11:09:28

Salt water is less likely to freeze, so would be functionally better.  But corrosion would be more of a problem.  I don't think the cost of water will be at all problematic if the heat network works on a circuit.  A typical dwelling in the UK needs about 10,000kWh of thermal energy each year.  At peak winter times, heat demand would be something like 3kW.  That is 0.14 litres per house per second, assuming a 5°C temperature drop across the heat exchangers.  Assuming that water is cycled once per hour across a town network, that is a water inventory requirement of 514 litres per dwelling.  That would be a burden if water isn't recycled.  But it isn't a problem if water is reused.

#11 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Heat Pump - Heat Pumps » 2024-05-01 09:16:48

This article discusses the possibility of cold district heating for densely populated urban areas.
https://theconversation.com/no-space-fo … ing-180005

In this concept, every dwelling would have a heat pump.  But the heat supplying the heat pumps would be drawn from a water pipe carrying cold water that supplies entire streets.  These water mains would extract heat from boreholes, which would store summer heat for use in winter.  The distribution pipes don't need to be anything special.  Just a big concrete underground pipe that serves as a heat source for individual heat pumps.

One thing I did notice when reading about heat pumps, is that larger systems appear to achieve scale economies.  The purchase cost of a heat pump providing twice as much heat will be <2x greater.  It therefore makes sense providing heat pumps that serve multiple homes.  That is the most capital efficient solution.  But there does need to be an authority that does this on behalf of a town or it won't happen.  It requires collective action.  Probably the best solution would be to run the cold water pipe down main streets.  Heat pumps would be located at street intersections and would provide heat to entire branching streets.

#12 Re: Meta New Mars » Housekeeping » 2024-05-01 09:07:10

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#13 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Heat Pump - Heat Pumps » 2024-05-01 05:02:18

For residences that don't have space for a ground source heat pump, maybe a tank of water could be used as the heat source?  Lets say we start with water at 7°C and use a heat pump to suck heat out of it freezing it.  For each litre of water frozen, the heat pump will extract 0.1kWh of heat.  A cylindrical tank 3m in diameter and 3m tall, would provide some 2100kWh of heat through its phase change to ice.  That is enough heat to meet the heating needs of a well insulated house for about 1 month.  When temperatures outside rise above freezing, we would open vents and use a wind catcher to blow air through the ice store, gradually remelting it.  During summer, we would use the wind catcher to collect warm air, preheating the tank ready for the beginning of heating season in the autumn.

Something like this would work in locations where temperatures only occasionally dip beneath freezing and only stay beneath freezing for a few weeks at a time.  Most of Europe meets that description.  Deep ground temperatures average about 10°C.  Here is seasonal average temperatures for Edinburgh, which is colder than most of UK.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/c … /gcvwqum6h

The tank is effectively a thermal capacitor, drawing energy from the wind.  If we take the average windspeed to be 6m/s, the specific heat of air to be 1KJ/kg.K, its density to be 1.22kg/m3 and assume we drop its temperature by 1°C.  Assuming a 1m2 catchment area, how much energy flux can we get into the tank when outside temperatures are above freezing?

Q = 1 x 6 x 1.22 x 1000 = 7.32kW

This comfortably exceeds the heating loads of most residences.  Drawing heat from a source at 273K and providing heat at 303K (30°C) woukd give a Carnot COP of about 9 in tge dead of winter.  In autumn and spring, temperatures will be higher and COP will be better.

#14 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Planting Ships in the Ground » 2024-05-01 04:25:10

I have sometimes wondered about the idea of building floating cities on rafts made from bouyant concrete cells.  These could be anchored to the sea bed.  A raft made from hexagonal concrete cells could be gradually expanded as a floating city expands.  Individual cells would be held together using ropes or cables.  The outer surfaces would be coated with polyethylene to keep sea water out of the concrete and prevent surface degradation.

There are many possible shallow sea bed locations where this could be done.  The 'why' is a more complicated question.  Cities tend to grow because they fill an economic niche in a larger economy.  What niche would a floating city serve?  Typically, small states have served as tax havens in the past.  That is a parasitic function, but it serves some people well enough to keep these places going.  A floating city state growing as a tax haven is certainly possible.

A small city could serve as a military base in certain strategic locations.  A nation that has no territory in a region could create territory by making a floating base.  It might be useful to the US to have a base like that in the South China Sea.  I can see the Chinese building these in all sorts of places.  Singapore grew as a city state, because it occupies a strategic choke point for trade going from east to west.  A floating city could be sited in a strategically important location without the need to annex any other country's territory.  It would function in ways not unlike an aircraft carrier, except it would be stationed in a particular location and would be much bigger.  It could serve as a refuelling and victualling station for destroyers and other ships in the area.

#15 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Heat Pump - Heat Pumps » 2024-04-30 05:23:25

Installation costs are a lot cheaper than other estimates I have heard in the past.  But they won't include all of the changes that have to be made to a property in order for heat pumps to provide enough heat.  Properties must be well insulated, because achieving a high COP is not compatable with high heating temperatures.  The lower the temp difference between radiators and the room, the lower the heat transfer rates.  In fact, the best COP would be achieved by heating water to room temperature.  But the amount of radiating area needed would be huge.  Underfloor heating might work.  Embedding heating pipes in walls would turn the walls into radiant heaters.  That would be a good option for new builds.

In areas where urban development is too dense for ground source, a pipe containing flowing sea water could provide the heat source.  It doesn't have to be warm, though it always boosts COP if it is.  We could dump nuclear waste heat into a city sized salt water main.  Suppose we have a pipe 50cm (1.5') in diameter, with saltwater flowing through it at 3m/s.  Its temperature is 10°C and we remove heat from it until temprrature drops to 5°C.  How much heat could it provide?  Ans = 12.37MW.  That is enough for a large town.  The COP will beat air source heat pumps by a large margin, because there is no need for a high dP fan in a ground source heat pump.  During summer, we would run the salt water mains in reverse, taking summer heat from the tarmac of roads and carparks and using it to recharge subsurface heat reservoirs.  This ensures that come winter, the salt main temperature can be kept at 10°C, regardless of the outside air temperature.

#16 Re: Meta New Mars » Calliban Postings including links to notable contributions » 2024-04-29 07:19:35

TH, I will give it some thought.  Success depends on keeping capital costs and build times as low as possible.

#17 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Thermal Energy Storage » 2024-04-29 06:38:54

Vacuum insulated thermal storage.
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio … al_Storage

I have not read this yet.  I will post a synopsis when I have.  It is certainly an interesting idea.  Steel vacuum tanks are relatively expensive because of the problem of buckling instability.  Concrete tanks are far more affordable and can be built to almost arbitrary size.  A thermal mass contained in a vacuum tank would only lose energy by conduction and radiation.  Polished aluminium surfaces can reflect most radiated heat.  So a vacuum insulated thermal mass could be used to store energy for a long time.  This would seem to me to be a good option for interseasonal energy storage.  This is one of the few ideas that might work.

A concrete vacuum tank some 100m in diameter wouod have a minimum thickness of 0.25m, which is tad under 1'.  We would probably built these tanks with multiple cross-braced layers to make them stable against buckling.  The easiest way would be to cast hollow hexagonal blocks that are then fitted together with cement.  The inner surface would then be clad with aluminium coated rockwool slabs.  Within the vessel would be a spherical steel shell, containing a mixture of rock, sand and compacted clay.  This would be heated to temperatures of ~600°C.  The whole assembly would sit of a steel sheet, mounted onto a layer of vermiculite, which in turn transfers load to a concrete foundation.  Beneath the steel sheet would sit cooling tubes containing sodium nitrate, which would transfer heat to an S-CO2 power generation loop.

#18 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Trough Solar Collector- Design- Construction- Operation- Maintenance » 2024-04-29 04:59:09

We could use sulphur dioxide in either brayton or rankine power cycles on Mars.  The atmosphere and surface are dry, so there is very little moisture to contaminate the working fluid.  The temperatures are low enough to allow SO2 to condense at pressures <1bar.  Under standard conditions, it is 67% denser than CO2, allowing even more compact turbines and compressors.  That has economic benefits.  We won't be breathing the air on Mars, so an SO2 leak won't be a toxicity concern.

The critical temperature of SO2 is 431K or 158°C.  So we won't need to dry the vapour if heating to 200°C.
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/crit … d_997.html

A solar trough concentrator can use water as its working fluid at 15.35atm.  Using a rankine cycle, fluid is reinjected into the boiler as liquid.  So pumping losses can be minimal.  We could incorpirate a recuperator between the LP turbine and condenser to recover heat from the exhausted SO2.  A 30% efficiency should be achievable, even at a working temperature as low as 200°C.  A low cycle pressure is desirable if we are making components using ISRU.  It allows the use of ductile cast irons rather than high performance steels.  The SO2 is non-corrosive so long as water is kept out of it.

#19 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Trough Solar Collector- Design- Construction- Operation- Maintenance » 2024-04-29 04:37:50

They might do better storing anhydrous sulphur dioxide as a chilled liquefied gas.  Its boiling point is -10°C. Concentrated sulphuric acid will dissolve almost any container on a timeframe that is short compared to the life of the plant.  Decomposition of sulphur dioxide requires temperatures up to 950°C.  That is difficult to achieve even with concentrated solar and corrosion will be a severe problem.  I can't see this solution having much milage.  The iodine sulphur cycle was once touted as a promissing method of converting concentrated solar heat into hydrogen.  It has never advanced very much, because the temperatures needed are challenging and sulphuric acid is too corrosive.  Same problem here.

One thing that molten salt has in its favour is that it is non-toxic and does not produce dangerous gases.  Nitrate salts are also non-corrosive to stainless steels.

#20 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Architecture » 2024-04-29 03:56:46

On Mars, unless we are building under domes or in cavities, most structures will be underground.  The weight of soil will balance internal air pressure, as well as providing insulation from the cold and protection from radiation.  Externally, such buildings will appear as mounds of soil.  There is no artistic value to be had there.  Any architectural expression will need to be inside of structures.

#21 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Architecture » 2024-04-29 03:48:01

Terraformer wrote:

I've suggested before that buildings on Luna will be hexagonal, with a circular pressure vessel in between two hexagon walls filled with radiation shielding. That way they can expand the way cities and buildings expand, with each new block added on to the existing complex.

Regarding Terran architecture, there are certain rules to follow for sure. Such as "he who builds in wood builds a shack" (Stewart Brand, How Buildings Learn). If you want something low maintenance, or that can withstand extreme weather, wood is not it.

How Buildings Learn is available on YouTube, if you haven't already seen it you should.

I have watched the first episode and part of the second.

Synopsis of No 1: Architects design buildings to win artistic awards.  Very little attention is paid to how well the design fits end user requirements.  So buildings are often a failure for their users, who attempt to change them straight away.  Surprisingly, architects rarely revisit past work after construction to see how successfully they work for users because it is 'too depressing' to see their hard work modified and screwed up.  Another important point from the episode is that building usage can change with time.  Architect designed buildings are often difficult to modify.

None of this is surprising, as we have all seen it in action.  It is however bewildering that these sort of practices have gone on for so long.  They suggest that architects have consistently failed to deliver good value in their products.  In most other industries that would put them out of a job.  This series was aired in the late 90s.  Maybe things have changed since then?

I have only seen the first 10 minutes of the second episode.  It is discussing peripheral buildings - things like workshops, garages, outhouses, containers, etc.  These are not usually architect designed.  The narrator makes the point that this is where the real life of a society is because people have the space and freedom to do things here without it costing a fortune.  This resonates with me, because it is these spaces that are really lacking in British towns and cities.  Everyone is crammed into flats and terrace houses like sardines.  The average person just doesn't have the space for a workshop or a studio that they can use to develop things.  This has a crushing effect on creativity and productivity in the UK.  We have less living space per capita than just about any other developed country save Japan and Holland.  Startup companies need places to start up.  There is only so much you can do in the spare box bedroom.

#22 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Architecture » 2024-04-28 16:42:13

Watched the first episode this morning.  Many modern buildings are not designed with the end user in mind.  They are artistic projects intended to gain attention for the designer for artistic skill and innovation.  Nor are they designed for maintenance.  The narrators' point is that buildings should be designed primarily around the needs of the user.  They should also be adaptable to change of use and easy to clean and maintain.  All very interesting.  I wonder if this have changed since the 90s?  There is only so long you can keep screwing the customer.

#23 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Town Cooking using Stored Heat » 2024-04-26 10:02:20

One thing I neglected to include in the opening post of this thread, was the amount of heat consumed by food as it cooks.  Ignoring the effects of evaporation, the specific heat of food varies significantly, but 3.7KJ/kg.K appears to be a good average.  Let's say we cook 1 tonne of food per day - enough for 1000 people.  The amount of heat the food will absorb just by heating from 10 to 90°C would be:

Q = 1000 x 3700 x 80 = 296MJ (82kWh).

That is almost twice as much heat as the store loses to conduction in the base case.  This suggests to me that there is limited point in making the thermal store much larger than 4m in diameter or using much better insulation.  The cooker is already almost as efficient as it can possibly be.

#24 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Chemistry - Chemists - Chemicals » 2024-04-26 08:14:27

A new chemical reactor allows the efficient conversion of methane into propylene.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Natural-Gas … ction.html

We will be producing methane as rocket fuel.  Propylene is a feedstock for plastics manufacture, most specifically polypropylene.  After polyethylene, this is the most widely produced and used polymer on Earth.

#25 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Town Cooking using Stored Heat » 2024-04-26 07:42:58

District heating has long been popular in Nordic countries. In Denmark, some two-thirds of households are connected to a district heating network. Early systems distributed heat through steam with heat supplied by combined heat and power plants. The use of solar, geothermal and pumped heat, have prompted interest in distributing heat at lower temperatures. The logical end point of this is cold district heating.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_district_heating

In this scenario, heat is distributed at 10-25°C and heat pumps use the cold water as a heat source, producing warm water at temperatures 30-60°C for heating. This is much more efficient than using cold air as a heat source, because water is denser, does not require high pumping power blowing it over a heat exchanger and is likely to be warmer than outside air if it is drawn from the sea and passed through the ground layer. A temperature of 10-25°C requires a smaller dT to provide warm water at 30°C, than air at say 5°C. So heat pumps supplied in this way will be more efficient.

Cold district heating is in some ways easier than hot water distribution, because the distribution pipework need not be heavily insulated. The soil above a buried pipe may provide sufficient insulation. But it has the disadvantage of requiring the use of heat pumps at the consumer end. In densely populated cities, we could compromise and install heat pumps that provide warm water to entire streets, using a cold water main as the heat source. In this scenario, cold water mains probably containing sea water, will pass beneath main streets. Heat pumps would serve branching roads, which would carry heat pipes at 30-40°C. The cold water mains would carry sea water, sourced at a temperature of about 10°C. We could boost this temperature up to say 20°C, by passing the pipe through soil that has been used to store summer heat. The heat collecting surfaces would be roads, carparks, building roofspace and decicated flat plate concrete solar collectors, which would reach temperatures up to 30°C in the summer sun.

It is noteworthy that district heating could provide heating for cooking applications as well. In this case, we want a minimum temperature of 74°C to slow cook food. A district cook house could take heat from a heat main at 30°C and use a heat pump to raise temperature to 74°C. Carnot COP would 6.89. I think a real system should be able to give us at least half of that COP.

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