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#1 Re: Civilization and Culture » Humanity and the solution to the "Fermi Paradox." » 2006-11-18 00:14:39

Despite what the supernatural religions say, humanity is not a static structure and neither is the universe.  And despite what Plato did to science by splitting humanity from the heavens(to influence christian thinking and general ignorance views on science for thousands of years), everything in the universe is connected in space and time to everything else.  So, when we evolve through time, we are influenced from our past.  Humanity has evolved from ignorance; it's first concepts were that of rough reality of violence to get what they want/needed.

Evolution is learning; evolution is a kind of generalization, and concepts which are more dominant in humans than any other species are generalizations.  Humanity is the conceptual animal, but like in human language's modifyer words in a sentence, they can be to much or to little.  Humanity unlike most other animals can 'act' like any other animals which was a source of endless fascination for humans for perhaps millions of years as they dressed themselves up as bears and coyotes and lions and so forth.  They can also act like physical processes allowing them to become one with the universe if they learn how to act like it. But, they often either due to little time to really think things through or for socio-political reasons over or under act things out.  And, considering that humans evolved from a non-scientific attitude, they have evolved from a history of violence and attitudes.  As Eric Drexler himself points out in his "Engines of Creation", "use a hammer enough, and everything looks like a hammer."

As Alvin Toffler points out in his "PowerShift", there is three main sources of power in human affairs - violence, money, and knowledge. We started with violence, then industrialism came, and we switched, or powershifted, to money as the predominant source of power. Humanity is the scientifically dependent species, but our knowledge is forever incomplete; nature will run us over eventually if don't keep exploring and shoring up our knowledge.  Will we make the transition to knowledge in the final powershift?  Will we brake from our violence traditions that we evolved from?

There are many social forces to preserve old views.  Whenever we evolve somemore, we seem to have to kind of compromise the break from the past by bullshitting about the past. Supernatural religions today use their vagueness mongering to argue that god wants us to learn science, or that 'he' invented science.  The fact is that as we've tried to spread science and evolve away from our anti-science beginnings, we've been corrupted by such previous thinking; todays scientists are born from supernatural religious families and they just bend their religion and science together. But, they're ideas are wrong, and they try to shape future human thought(much as Plato did) to this bullshit thinking.  Thomas Kuhn wrote about his views on scientific progress in "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions."  Although he thought he was writing about how science actually works, what he was really writing about and proving is that scientist don't listen to logic and facts when doing science, but social custom, at least most of the time.  They only listen to the logic when the social custom has tilted that way.  Witness 'The Center for Responsible Nanotechnology."

While they do have one new logical idea, they have much colored views about why and what is right or wrong, but not based on logic or facts; in fact, they ignore all of history, and/or bend it to their liking; they only read what supports their viewpoints.  They're real viewpoints about what is right or wrong is not based on logic or facts, but on socially supported dogma of the past.  They have eaten the dogma of the past which their cultures evolved from, and now they are going to draw up what's right and wrong based on that fallacious viewpoint.  Humanities future hangs in the balance. Humanity must break from the social pressures to not think clearly if it is to survive. As Tesla sings in their 'games people play", they are noting that people play social games more than try to think things logically and take it as the logic comes. Crn will not listen to the fact that if we are to break from the irrationality mongering of the past, then we must allow those humans that want to move on to move on.

Enrico Fermi asked his famous question of "where are they?  If the history of the earth is used as a base for when other technologically dependent species could become space explorers, and the age of the universe is even nine billion years old(back in the 1900's), then we should see much space exploring technological species roaming around.  So, "where are they?"  I'd suggest they failed to break away from the irrationality fear mongering that they evolved from. People form their 'fear groups' because they are not solid enough to think things logically.  Because they are not really strong enough and have enough strength to maintain integrity, they form their social fear groups to hide in vaguenesses as Tesla points out. If a phenomenon seeps into the arts, it must be their in one form or another. The fear groups then raise their children on these fears, this is where assholes come from.  And, they dictate whether we go to space or not; whether we learn to think clearly or not.  Right now, Crn is planning on locking up humanity in a 'Logan's Run' for reasons that at first appear nice and kind. 'Logan's Run' is a 1970's cheap production based on the idea of confining all of humanity in computer controlled and fully automated ecologically closed cities where the generations pass thinking that everything inside their closed enclosure is all their is to the world much as humanity thought the earth was all their was for thousands of years.  But, the underlying truth is that they do not need to do this.  They even are speculating on a "Logan's Run" set date for suicide to keep the population down.  When humanity is appeased in this "Logan's Run", they will all give up and eat and have sex till that gets boring.  Nevermind that scientific exploration is the real essence of humanity.  We could have freed humanity and increased the majority of humanity to that realization, but no, we have to die drugged up.  And so does most other technological species I'd suspect.

This is the truth of Fermi's question and Humanities probably future

#2 Re: Not So Free Chat » ealiest pictures of jesus » 2006-11-04 22:22:30

http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery.htm

dated at 200 A.D. at earliest which is when the christian religion really started growing - not before.  And even then, the pictures are more based on pagan religions like hermes and Hercules.

#3 Re: Not So Free Chat » more sun gods from me! » 2006-11-02 22:34:50

Hi there!

I thought you might be interested in seeing the latest creation by a supporter/friend of mine, "Sun of God?" posted at YouTube and elsewhere.  Vega32 has really done a fantastic job on this wonderful video creation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcLNeMiMiNs

Vega is the same person who did the "Left Behind" video game critique using my audioblog.  He has also created another wonderful expose on solar mythology and astrotheology, my speciality, using David Deley's terrific website.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjrJSgMkL68

Enjoy!

If you still haven't gotten a copy of my new ebook "Who Was Jesus?" please do so at:

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/whowasjesus.html

#4 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ahg, time is getting short; » 2006-11-02 15:46:13

http://www.physorg.com/news81707368.html

diseases running rampant probably before then; i think I'd like to live in a closed O'neille ecological space habitat please(before 2030 preferably!)

#5 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » 16 Candidate Stars (ES Planets) » 2006-10-17 20:04:31

sixteen out of such a small star field is pretty good I must admit, but I would think the seti searches done so far must indicate a maximum of e.t's.

#6 Re: Civilization and Culture » Isaac Asimov article about robot rationality over human . . » 2006-10-13 14:42:30

your reasoning is further reasons why an asimovian foundation is the only way to escape the socially supported irrationality that comes from our evolution from a state of nature; i think we have our logical answer over capital punishment!

#7 Re: Civilization and Culture » Isaac Asimov article about robot rationality over human . . » 2006-10-12 21:49:19

http://www.slate.com/id/2103979/

I find it interesting that the article says Isaac Asimov has robots in I Robot out morality over human irrationality; i havn't read it, but now, I'm pretty interested in reading it.  I also find it interesting about what it says about I Robot that in his Foundations Edge, Isaac Asimov has the main character chose 'life' over human irrationality or some supposedly living intelligences idea of logical course of action.  I would note that Crn chooses the 'life' pathway as well; or at least, that is my take on them and Feynman nanotechnology.  I don't totally mind that pathway, but, I worry they are closing our chances off to much from getting away from the irrationality mongering that I see in humanity.

I've lived my life according to logic and find it works, but like the Samarai in "The Last Samarai", it takes a lot to raise people of such pure soul; their only mistake like the militaries of the world is thinking warfare is the 'goal' of living and mankind.  I find only an asimovian foundation is the way to break the state of nature past that humanity evolved from, but crn refuses to listen.  I don't mind using the system of three ethics according to crn in this foundation, but people have to be willing to live by peer review science and I would suggest the ethical insights of Jacob Bronowski than anti-logic and experimental/observational science as the constitution of this foundation.  Otherwise, all the lessons humanity has learned from the killing of Archimedes through the house arrest of Galileo and plain vagueness mongering of the anti-evolutionists(statictitions) will go in one ear and out the other.

A great quote from a so-so movie Dune I've been reaquainted with,

"without change . . . something sleeps inside us; the sleeper must awaken."

#8 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » nice brain breakthrough » 2006-10-05 16:00:53

http://www.physorg.com/news79289076.html

actually, the fact that neorons act like binary switches doesn't seem new to me; i guess this work confirms it.

I like how the brain is compared to a social network; this is much like Marvin Minsky's 'society of mind' theory of the brain. The ganglia acting like a binary switch suggests to me that the two sides of the brain are much like two people talking to each other and analysing what each other is saying. Each side is much like a superorganism like ants solving problems from a mass distribution network and each side checking each others 'thoughts.'  Of course, all this with the prefrontal cortex doing some more digital calculations.

Ultimaitelly, it seems that the brain and consequently a.i. intelligence will be figured out soon enough.

#9 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » an interesting graph of nanotech research » 2006-10-05 14:44:03

http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/?p=196

the commentary I think misses one potentially interesting point; it won't be some politician who develops mnt; it will be some group of researchers.

#10 Re: Human missions » Newt Gingrich - Space President? » 2006-10-01 15:48:22

the only moderate republican I'd vote for would be John McCain;

#11 Re: Human missions » Newt Gingrich - Space President? » 2006-10-01 15:47:10

i didn't bother voting; Newt has weird ideas, or at least, he's caught up in his parties ideas; both he and Al gore claimed to have read Alvin Tofflers 'The Third Wave', and 'PowerShift', and both had different interpretations; in other words, they are both conditioned socialites.

#12 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Space Elevators, Ho! - carbon nanotube growth breakthrough! » 2006-09-28 20:11:18

hmm . . . very interesting . . . i'll try to find the correct link; i have no idea how the url could be that far off;

#14 Re: Space Policy » US public opposed to spending money on human Mars missions » 2006-09-25 23:39:12

this is why we should raise our kids on science like the Indians do.  I remember during the recession years of 1990's; everybody was affected, but  . . . formula one teams!  They live in their own little world.  In other words, it is possible, but their isn't enough people who see it and are willing to break family ties for it.  With 99% of humanity getting their money and social standing from family and social conformity, it is going to be really hard to get away from humanities animal past.

#16 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Protein folding pathway brought back in the mix? » 2006-09-22 22:19:38

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 … 202123.htm

Eric Drexler did suggest that Feynman like molecular manufacturing could be feasible within five to fifteen years by means of protein folding, but as the 1990's came to a close, the protein folding enabling technology pathway seemed all but closed.

Well, this new development actually hasn't been confirmed yet anyways; but even if it does work out, I find it remarkable researchers didn't think of this earlier; just comes to show that Humanity is facing some human thinking and computational limitations as it progressed towards the future.

#18 Re: Not So Free Chat » Jesus never existed internet radio talk » 2006-09-14 21:09:46

I care because people refuse to reason because of Christianity; i should not of had to explain that;

Beyond that, a man walking on water and performing all manner of miracles would of had statues and pictures made everywhere; the Roman empire wouldn't even had thought twice of giving him full respects; a god would not have to go some crazy lengths to prove he's a son of god; he could just make everybody believe and we wouldn't have to go through hell on earth.

#19 Re: Not So Free Chat » Jesus never existed internet radio talk » 2006-09-14 13:15:27

when there's no evidence, then don't assume unless you have a real reason to assume like Pauli did with the neutrino;  while jesus believers are making a big assumption, the mythologists have all kinds of evidence for religions being 'made up.'

#20 Re: Not So Free Chat » Jesus never existed internet radio talk » 2006-09-12 14:00:39

why criticize religion?  Why do the religious refuse to consider dynamic evolution for their static spirituality?  That is why we try to show the anti rational religions wrong.

As for 'why would I think that they would make up and combine ideas?'  Because that is what they do!  For instance! Lord God is Adonai Elohim; Elohim is the star gods of the Phonecians(an underrated culture in the evolution of civilization) and Adonai is the god of the Summarians; they(the jews) just 'combined' the two and said it was their own.  Proof that that is how they come up with their various gods. God(s) are just the algebraic x standing for 'i don't know' which was the best theory the ancients could come up with till they saw the power of experiment and mathematics in 600 B.C. through 300 A.D.

Not to mention everything else I've already mentioned that goes unnoted;

#21 Re: Not So Free Chat » Jesus never existed internet radio talk » 2006-09-12 13:18:36

it's called the pursuit of truth which only a true scientist would know about; the rest of your responce is a true mess of thought which would take a lot more time to disect;  you have heard of the conferences of necine havn't you?  That's just for starters not to mention you ignored points and facts I made;

#22 Re: Not So Free Chat » Jesus never existed internet radio talk » 2006-09-11 23:41:42

"Jesus almost certainly did exist as a historical figure."

That is an amazing statement of non-scientific thinking.  Anybody know what's wrong here?

#23 Re: Not So Free Chat » Jesus never existed internet radio talk » 2006-09-11 23:39:25

sorry, but people playing vagueness games just because they feel like it is the road to nazyism; I've seen it in my family; my grandparents certainly seem nice, but they're kids turned into fear mongering, social game players who just have to find something wrong; i mean, the first thing that they ever do upon meeting them is to find something wrong with you.  This is not spirituality; or, if it is; it is the spirituality of punks who cuss each other out for the fun of it.

I found what little the talk show said to be worthwhile(very disappointed).  I found out about these sun gods a year or so ago and dived into the literature; b.s. this stuff is 1900's; the christians burned as much of the evidence against them as they could; why do you think they found the gnostic gospels stuffed in a jar and then barried in egyptian sand?  Because the Roman empire once converted went on a book burning spree including the killing of Hypatia around 300 A.D. and the burning and destruction of the Library of Alexandria which makes all the classical literature we still have just mere scraps.

Jesus never existed; the Jews said so; that is why they were made to suffer; that is why the nazies tried to exterminate them; to rid the world of direct evidence that Jesus never existed.

Jesus never existed; i'd have to go refind my evidence, but I have confirmed first century writers as saying 'isn't out sun god just like yours?(apollo, mithra and the likes).  I've got quotes from Philo a Jew who lived before and after the supposed life of Jesus Christ who never mentions him but does mention how 'we took the best(according to him) of all previous religions to construct a new religion.'  There is no historical evidence for Jesus Christ; not even pictures on any christian catacombs; Jesus Christ came late to England around 600 A.D.  He came even later to American indians, Australians, Eskimoes and the orient.

#25 Re: Interplanetary transportation » magnetic mass driver » 2006-08-18 12:42:48

http://lifeboat.com/em/arrestor.pdf

Why not use this magnetic orbital platform to pull up a scramjet? It wouldn't be so high, so the initial magnetic pull wouldn't be so strong; i just can't help thinking that with some development work(after some non-human cargo experience), we should be able to tune the system for less g's.

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