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#2 Re: Life support systems » 3D Printers » 2014-06-02 07:58:23

Impressive.

Can't be as good as the same piece forged - but if the shape is too complex for being forged, the advantage of 3D printing is obvious.

My uneducated guess is that they rework the parts after impression for better mecanical performances. Still, impressive(and iven more if not the case).

#3 Re: Unmanned probes » Mars Exploration Rovers (MER) » 2014-05-26 01:39:50

GW Johnson wrote:

(.../...) And yet the Chinese are launching manned missions to space stations on under $10B per year,  while at the same time planting rovers on the moon.  There are quite apparently some efficient-use-of-funds issues here.

GW

Chinese have 2 main advantages :
(1) cheaper workforce
(2) a more stable political environment

(2) deserves a few details. In the USA, you've got elections every 2 years, big ones every 4 years, and never-ending electoral campaigns. In the meantime, not much is done. Europe is worse : as there are many deciders, and always one or two involved in an electoral campaign, clear goals are never set for a long amount of time. China is a dictatorship, which has a lot of drawbacks(primary higher corruption levels and less creativity allowed due to the need of controlling people), but also a few advantages : they change of leadership every 10 years, and the process is rather smooth. This allows to plan for long-term projects, and more efficient planning.

Plus, but this is not inherent & just a matter of skill, they are just better in project management, those days. a 6-years old example of their skill in terms of project management.

#4 Re: Not So Free Chat » Myers-Briggs Type Indicator » 2014-05-20 03:48:28

INTP

They say I could be natural engineer, computer scientist, or librairian. I am computer developper and tester. Bang!

#5 Re: Not So Free Chat » Ukraine & Crimea » 2014-04-25 06:22:48

Russian attack on Poland would make no sense at all. There is no Casus Belli, no russians there, and the counter-attack opportunities would make it easy for NATO to exterminate the attackers. Remember that Belarus is, more or less, a buffer state. With a much better army than Ukraine.

No, if Ukraine falls, the only possible next targets are Moldavia & Baltic states. Lots of russians there, defendable front.

I've read we are sending a few fighters in the Baltic, but sending a few Leclerc would also be a message. After all, those babies have been specifically designed for fighting Russia in the Eastern European plains... A direct, ground threat, 150 km from Saint-Petersburg(home town of the Putin Clan, very important town), would force Russians to spread their forces, and they don't have the supplies for that.

Of course, the risk is an unwanted escalation(as USA-Japan in the late 30s, each intimidation move designed to slow down the other part made it react more agressively). Question is, is Putin a Tojo(who reacts badly when feels threatened) or a Hitler(with plans for conquest of whole Europe as soon as 1936)? Dynamic of the events makes me think he's more a Tojo. He just wanted some financial control over Ukraine, and began crazy things only when the jackasses in Maidan kicked him out. Multiplying NATO forces in the baltic could remind him he's outnumbered, but could also trigger a preemptive strike from him, out of paranoia. I'm not sure.

#6 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Landing a flying saucer on Mars » 2014-04-14 03:16:32

In the late 990s, landing more than 150kg was sci-fi. Recently, we landed nearly one ton. That's positive. Though I notice designs are getting more and more exotic. There is probably a limit to what we can do - but current progress is encouraging.

#7 Re: Not So Free Chat » Ukraine & Crimea » 2014-04-08 04:01:37

If there was not this former agrement on nukes(thanks GW for pointing that out), I'd advocate leaving the russians building back their sphere of influence. EU is already far outstretched, & can't afford to babysit Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, or the Caucasus.

But there is this point, & the likely consequence is a rush towards more nukes, as they are, in this century, the ultimate safety. All other safeties, including the USA umbrella, seem moot today. Everyone will have nukes, soon. That's the risk.

#8 Re: Space Policy » The SLS: too expensive for exploration? » 2014-04-04 04:02:11

At my current mission(I'm a consultant & frequantly changes customers), we are dead on it. things that could be done in 2 days are done in 2 weeks because there is budget for 2 weeks.

Where I was previously, it was the reverse : We had work for 12, we were 9, & 5 had to leave on budgetary grounds.

The worse is when it happens whitin the same team. In 2001, I was part of a team working on some Euro-related project. I was on the interface sub-team. We had finished in July 2001. I then played on internet until November. In the meantime, the batch sub-team was overloaded with problems, made countless hours, and I was not allowed to help them.

I love EXCEL as a tool, but when in wrong hands, it has absolute awful effects. There is some kind of estimation, some kind of plan, unaccurate because most things are unknown yet, and suddenly, some suit approves it, and it gets carved in stone. It is suddenly forbidden to change it. It is more sacred than the Bible. I've seen numerous projects fail of this disease.

The worst was a forecasted overhaul of customers management in a Paris-based mobile phone company. Budget was 60 people during 18 months. 35 people for designing the solution, & 25 to prepare the migration of data(includng 12 developers of an obscure, unpractical language, several testers including me, a few technical & functional experts, a SAP expert directly imported from Brazil, and a few managers). My first day of tester, I noticed a few mistakes in the spec. I then learned that the spec had been approved, and could not be changed - or corrected. Therefore, I could not validate the project : either it would work - but not according to specs - or it would respect the specs - but not work.

I also noticed the old system was all built on MVS-COBOL. After reading the specs, I was pretty sure I could do the migration alone in MVS/COBOL in less than 6 months. But the brass needed a big project to shine on their resume - and therefore choose a technical path that implied a big-sized project. I had the luck to be able to run away, but learned that 6 years later, the project had not done any progress. The whole brass had been fired, but new managers still could not make it work.

I have no reason to think the NASA works another way, unfortunately. Power struggles usually cloud everything, including technical sanity or financial efficiency.

#9 Re: Not So Free Chat » Ukraine & Crimea » 2014-04-04 03:45:52

GW Johnson wrote:

(.../...)
As for Crimea,  there's plenty of blame to go around.  (.../...)

That's the point. USA did push Ukraine in EU's arms while EU was reluctant. EU was reluctant but faked interest. Ukraine was fool enough to think they were free to do whatever pleased them without taking reality in account(reality : Putin could help them far much than EU could, and they need that kind of help desperaltely). Russia...well, let's hear Tom - he's right on this point.

Everyone is to blame, & everyone's reputation is very low.

But Tom, there is apoint you wompletely miss. The rest of the world does not care a shit whether the USA is a democracy. They judge USA from its acts outside the USA. And there, USA is no better than Putin. The annexion of Crimea, seen from far, is probably more legitimate than the invasion of Iraq. As Crimeans did ask for Russia. Someone living in Madagascar, or VietNam, or Bolivia, is bound to think that USA is no better than Russia.

Putin has lost a lot in terms of reputation by annexing Crimea, but for those folks, he's just as low as Obama. Legend says in 2008, when Putin was in war against Georgia, and was about to transfom Tbilissi into an omlet, Sarkozy told him to stop :
"_You can't do that, Vladimir.
_I will. I will hang Saakachvili with its bowels.
_No, you won't, it's not civilized, it's a war crime you are planning.
_I will, he did attack Russian-protected regions! He's the agressor! I've got the right with me this time!
_And you will look like some kind of George W Bush? The whole worls will compare the both of you, and find no difference!
_You've got a point, Nicolas."
And the war did stop 70 kms from Tbilissi.

I have no clue wether the legend is true, half-true, or completely false. (Sure thing is, Sarkozy spoke to Putin, and Putin stopped the war - yet noone knows if both facts are linked). But it is credible in most parts of the world, that's the point. Reputation and soft power don't come from democracy, they come from proper behaviour outside borders. If tomorrow you invade Cuba, whatever the Cuban thinks, your world reputation will, once again, plummet. Like Russia's reputation after Crimea's events.

#10 Re: Not So Free Chat » Ukraine & Crimea » 2014-04-03 09:04:18

JoshNH4H wrote:

To be more specific, areas of the world where I think the US is viewed favorably:

-The anglosphere, e.g. the group of countries whose culture is derived from that of England (The UK, Canada, Australia, etc)
-Western Europe, for the most part
-Eastern Europe, for the most part
-Much of Africa
-Israel
-India
-Latin America and the Caribbean, with notable exceptions (Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador)

Even if a country has a generally favorable view of the US they are still prone to criticize us.  That is particularly the case with Western Europe: we're the subject of criticism for many things, but at the end if the day the relationship between a given country and the US is strong enough that it is more or less comfortable relying on our military to defend the county in a time of crisis, if necessary.

What you don't get is people are full of contradictions. In most countries in the world, if you offer someone a good job in the USA, he will be over-happy. At the same time, if you ask him about the USA, the answer will be "those warmongerer bastards who speak about liberty & bring chaos everywhere they see fit?". Yes, in Western Europe, Eastern Europe(where Russia is even more loathed, but still), Much of Africa(where USA is interested only in petrol, & nowhere to be seen in other cases - that's true for France, too), and Latin America(where the Gringo is usually seen as deceptive). I have no clue for India and Israël.

You Americans need to realize how broken is the image of your country. the 11th of september 2001, you were seen as a brilliant, freedom-loving, peaceful empire unjustly struck. That's finished. Whatever thoses reasons, the wars in Afghanistan, and, worse, in Irak, did throw you in the same bag as Russia. Noone outside America & maybe Israël believes you are the good guys. Many still hope for your protection, but are not naive enough to believe they'll get it if it is not in your interest.

#11 Re: Not So Free Chat » Ukraine & Crimea » 2014-04-03 08:56:28

Tom Kalbfus wrote:

(.../...)With the conquest of Amerika, Ethnic Russians would become a minority in their own country, the Russia Empire would tend to become the American Empire over time, leaders after Putin would stand a chance of speaking English as their first language. There are 140 million Russians and 315 million Americans, we outnumber Russians two to one. The Emperors of that super state wouldn't care though, just as Roman Emperors didn't care about the changing ethnic makeup of Roman Citizens. all they cared about was power. A Eurasian-American Empire probably would have a higher level of Defense spending, would probably be Capitalist, and you probably wouldn't like it!

I wouldn't like it, you're right, but nobody outside this new empire would like it, and most people inside would neither. That's exactly my point. Conquest of foreing countries is felt very bad by anoyone who is not the conqueror, those days. Putin really appears as a bad boy after its Crimea conquest - and that was not even a conquest by war.

Tom Kalbfus wrote:

Charles De Gaulle was essentially repeating the same mistake that led to France being occupied by the Germans. A divided Europe, a France that wouldn't come to the aid of Poland was what led to Hitler's initial easy victories in Central and Western Europe. In fact Poland probably has Charles De Gaulle to thank for ending up under Russian occupation as a Warsaw pact country for 44 years! France could have attacked Germany from the West when Germany invaded Poland, but it didn't, instead France waited its turn to be conquered by the Germans. And it appears Charles De Gaulle was waiting for his country to be conquered by the Soviets, that day never came much to the disappointment of Parisians everywhere! Parisians never got to see Soviet tanks rolling through their streets, oh what a pity! wink

Duh. In 1940, De Gaulle was an obscure General having barely won 2 tank skirmishes. A few weeks before the defeat, he was named subsecretary of state. He was only Churchill's third(and last) choice to lead Free France, but Reynaud(who felt he was too weak, and was probably true) and Mandel(who felt he was too jew, and that his judeity would hinder Free France's Capacity. He died as a resistance hero, btw). De Gaulle had power only a few months in 1945, then 1958-1969.

But you're right, France could have reacted otherwise(not sure we had the army to do the job, we were backwards in terms of doctrines, but at least a little raid in Rhenania could have been a diversion). Guilty leaders are Pétain and Daladier, Not De Gaulle(he's got a few other crimes on his belt, though).

Tom Kalbfus wrote:

So who would suffer if Cuba became the 51st state of the United States and all Cubans gained American Citizenship? Those in a position of power in the former Communist government, that's who. Who else though? If Cubans can't find work in Cuba, they can go to other states as American citizens. You also side step the "Putin problem", that is the effect that post communist governments aren't always stable, they have a tendency to lurch toward tyranny sometimes in the first couple decades, and Cuba doesn't have a history of stable Democracy. I'd say, lets lower the stakes for them and have them fight over state offices like Governor and state assembly instead of President and Parliament or Congress. I believe most Cubans would benefit individually from this just as Cuban-Americans do today. Cuba was granted its independence early in the 20th century, and that experiment failed with the Communist Revolution in 1959, I think Cuba would be better off as a US state, where the Cubans can elect a bad Governor and if he abuses human rights, the Federal Government can rein him in or even arrest him!

You don't get how psychology works. USA is already the most powerful country in the world. Even China does not match(yet?). If it goes on war unprovoked, the rest of the world will shit in its pants, and try to plot USA's power. As a defensive, preemptive measure. If they invade Cuba, they can invade anyone. Let's unite to survive.

#12 Re: Not So Free Chat » Ukraine & Crimea » 2014-04-03 00:39:23

Tom Kalbfus wrote:

(.../...)Then don't go back, that's why I advocate we take Cuba in retaliation, we can topple Cuba's Communist government fairly easily, very few Cubans believe in Communism any more, and you know what post communist governments are like, the transition from Communism to Capitalism is rarely ever easy, so we can follow the example of Germany's absorption of East Germany. Set up a democratic government in Havana, have he Cubans elect a Governor and lieutenant Governor, a legislature and everything else a US State has. (.../...)

That kind of reasoning is the reason everyone in the world hates the USA. Even more than Ben Laden, Putin, or those pesky frenchmen. Cubans may not like their current government(that's more than likely), yet, if some foreigner arrives & puts its own, the basic reflex will be to unite against him.

Imagine : You want to overthrow Obama for someone more conservative, and then Putin(or Xi, or whoever) arrives from abroad, overthrow Obama, & puts some conservative friendly to him in the White house. Would you like your new overlord? Or would US patriotism kick in? That's the same in Cuba. Or everywhere else.

The reason why France still sees De Gaulle as a hero(despite his numerous flaws) is that he was NOT a puppet of the USA, or the UK(to the despair of Churchill, who saw its creature escaping him). The possible french leaders ready to be appointed by the USA in 1944/1945 were all better than De Gaulle. Yet they were overwhelmingly rejected - because some country abroad was appointing them.

#13 Re: Civilization and Culture » New language for Mars? » 2014-03-31 05:01:34

IMHO, it's rather tough to control what language people speak. Usefulness usually precedes standard. I know it from near because I'm french, my wife is polish, & we speak together in english. that is, each year God makes, the "english" is more & more polluted by Polish or french words, or even sentence structures. My own daughter is perfectly biligual, yet clueless in english(age 6).

Therefore I've read quite a few books on the topic, and my uneducated guess is that there will be a local pidgin for Martians, a kind of mix between origin languages, plus new words specific to local conditions. Later it should evolve in a creole, and, finally, after a few centuries, in a full language, as wicked as current ones. I don't believe in a standardized, simple language like esperanto, for the very reason that useful languages evolve as quick as their environment. Whatever the original language.

#14 Re: Life support systems » Crops » 2014-03-31 04:51:56

IIRC, vegans need B12 vitamin(cobalamin) supplements. That's also something to take in account. Either you are good enough in chemical terms to synthetize it, or you need some kind of animal food.

#15 Re: Not So Free Chat » Ukraine & Crimea » 2014-03-21 08:40:15

Tom;

I'm french & my wife is polish(she grew up under a communist dictatorship, therefore). In other words, I perfectly know the events you are speaking of. What you don't say is that 1945 has been a big, massive move of people. Lv'yv area used to be polish, but all polish people has been relocated to modern day Poland, many of them in Silesia. All germans from Silesia, at the same time, were expelled more to the west. My german neighbour was born in west-germany, soon after his parents were expelled. My father-in-law family was ethnic Silesian(neither polish nor german) & therefore didn't move - but they were not numerous.

In those conditions, Poland has more to lose than to win annexing Western Ukraine. Locals are not Polish, by far. Russia, OTOH, has a lot to win taking eastern Ukraine - and only eastern Ukraine - as the more you go to the west, the less Russians you'll find. History shows that invaders are welcome only in 2 circumstances :
(1) they leave quiclky after kicking some bad guy's bottom.
(2) they share common identity feelings with locals.

Old methods of forced cultural shift are out-of-fashion(and would not work well in an internet-infested world anyways). Rome made Gaul Roman, but it's no more possible to imitate them(unless you kill everyone, which has several drawbacks; notably diplomatic & moral ones - even Putin does not do so). Putin himself limited its actions to Crimea because it was the easier choice. Even in the rest of eastern Ukraine are too many ukrainians.

#16 Re: Not So Free Chat » Ukraine & Crimea » 2014-03-20 07:42:07

I'm not sure Poand wants to inherit the most backwards part of Ukraine. That would be a costly bet, and I'm speaking finances here, not only geopolitics.

other than that :

Let's imagine you're the president of Ukraine, in November 2013. the country is nearing bankrupt & you're seeking for outside help. EU offers you 800M, with a lot of conditions. Russia offers you 15B, with only one condition : saying "no" to EU. You need more than 10B to finish 2014. Do you say "yes" to EU?

Let's imagine you're living in Crimea. You feel as much russian as ukrainian, and russian is your mother language. Russia offers 15B to save your country from bankrupt. All of a sudden, some people overthrow your properly-elected government(for whom you did vote), reject russian aid, and banish your mother language from being an official language. Would you agree?

Of course Putin didn't make things "clean". Not its style. Plus originally, Crimea was Turkish, not Russian. Yet, there is a logical path in those events. EU was not really interested in Ukraine, and made a fake proposal - and was somewhat happy to see Putin take care of the mess. Suddenly, massively pro-EU people take control of the situation, & act as assholes in the hope of be part of the "good guys club". Is it really surprising to have Putin applying its own logic to clean up the mess anyways, its own style?

#17 Re: Not So Free Chat » Ukraine & Crimea » 2014-03-19 06:18:20

Just remember that both in 1914 & 1939, France was Germany's 1st economic partner - and Germany was France's one. When things go sour, rationality is thrown away.

Fortunately, for a war like WWI to happen, both sides must be willing to fight, & noone in the west seems willing to die(or send professionals to die) for Crimea.

#18 Re: Life support systems » ISRU Polymers » 2014-02-26 05:52:29

That's what they used to call pyrolysis; ful decompozition & recomposition(can even be a different polymer). But energy cost is far worse than first polymerization. Can be done, but you need loads of solar panels.

#19 Re: Life support systems » ISRU Polymers » 2014-02-25 14:40:38

Ah, I forgot a little detail : polymers do not recycle well. In fact, they lose 20/30% of their mechanical properties upon recycling(i.e. heating them again & transforming them again into some useful shape).

Reason is the following one : polymers are veryyy long molecules. Like 3 meters-long spaghettis, scaled down. Each tile you heat up & transform the stuff, spaghettis get broken. Get shorter. Lose mechanical qualities.

And it is worse for thermosets : you just don't recycle them at all. Once the molecules are "cooked", they get 3D structures, which simply gets destroyed by heat long before melting.

The only solution for having back proper molecules is pyrolysis. 800°C for PET(the plastics you make water bottles from), IIRC. Energy costly, again.

Last but not least : radiations of all kinds cut the molecules, and therefor also degrade the qualities of the polymer. That's why lifespan of plastics outside is limited, to a few dozen of years. That's not really a problem for interiors, but for outdoors, plastics will not last long.

#20 Re: Life support systems » ISRU Polymers » 2014-02-22 11:39:30

All this is nice chemical reactions, but that's just the first part. I lost(in the big crash) a comprehensive post I made here on the topic of polymer transformation, so I will make a summary(in my crappy english, sorry for that, I'm just an illiterate frenchman...with a degree in plastics transformation).

(1)Thermosets are doable "by hand", as long as you have an oven big enough. It is labor intensive(for most of them, you neet to make a composite with a fiberglass clothing), but low-tech in terms of machinery.

(2)Thermoplastics are much, much more demanding in terms of machinery, as they need huge pressure for being pout as they need. They are quite a few different methods here on earth to make something useful of thermoplastic pellets, but most of them are useful only for big number of identical pieces(injection is my target here, molds are prohibitive).

3D printing is a false friend, here. You can do any shape with it. Cool. But as you put layers on layers, the sutff itself lacks cohesion. Therefore, mechanical properties are bad.

IMHO, possible low-quantity processes usable in a low-population settlement are :
(1)Rotational molding
(2)Thermoforming
(3)Extrusion

Each one has a few drawbacks. Rotational molding needs a light, but mechanically complex, mold. Sealing is the key here. Thermoforming uses a lot of air, & you need a big, big room full of air. Plus you need a primary material that comes from extrusion, you don't directly thermoform from pellets. Finally, extrusion requires an extrusion screw, which is a masterwork of steel machining.

#21 Re: Life support systems » How self-sufficient? » 2013-11-07 15:06:03

tough  thing is that you need plenty of simpler things to make more complicated things...and plenty of people to make those things. IMHO, you need a few dozen million people before electronics becomes thinkable.

Just collecting raw materials, with enough different elements, & refining them will be a daunting task.

#22 Re: Life support systems » Crops » 2013-04-10 13:27:16

Void : sorry for the late answer. Anyways, You just need to extrude films, or surface. Those are well-known, mastered systems, whose productivity is well known, & more importantly, who yield better quality products. Same applies to Robert Dyck's solution. No need for low-quality, complex, costly, failure prone 3D printers there. They might be useful on other duties, but not there.

#23 Re: Life support systems » Crops » 2013-03-28 04:41:37

Void wrote:

(.../...)

But would acrylics be useful for building such greenhouses?  I am thinking 3D printer for the build, and also maybe for patching leaks.


(.../...)

Perhaps in time a robotic system with 3D printers might partially build such structures on a massive scale in suitable locations on Mars.

This 3D printing madness must stop. There is no added value for building a greenhouse having a 3D printer. It is the opposite. If you take the polymer path, extrusion is much more efficient for making surfaces or long beams. It you go with metals, rolling is the way to go.

3D printing focuses on smaller elements, where the shape is the essence of the piece. It will be very useful for avoiding molding of complex parts(especially if we make steam machines), yet, it is not a magic bullet that solves every problem. It is very unadapted for mass production, or production of big elements, or elements with specific mechanical requirements, or specific surface requirements.

In the specific case of the greenhouse, the size of elements is the main obstacle. There will also be the need for assembling everything together; a tough task, even for modern robots.

#24 Re: Human missions » Mars One » 2013-01-21 04:51:08

louis wrote:

There isn't going to be a one way mission. End of story.  (.../..)

There will be.

Once pioneers will have set up a proper settlement, settlers will make a one-way mission. But I think we agree on the main point : first Marswalkers will be pioneers, coming back to earth after having done their job.

#25 Re: Life support systems » Crops » 2013-01-02 08:33:35

IMHO, we need some variation. I'd get crazy eating the same quinoa morning, noon & evening. OTOH, alternating with Buckweat or other things would do wonders for my morale.

Guys there will have a tough life.

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